Kurt
Vonnegut's last interview is brilliant. He gives us some amazing
advice on art, writing, and life. This is only a portion (the
complete version, published in June 2007, is long), but it's well
worth two or three minutes of your time. And anyway, shouldn't you be
writing?
P.S. The quote from this title (which I wholeheartedly agree with), is actually from A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.
P.S. The quote from this title (which I wholeheartedly agree with), is actually from A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.
Tell
me the reasons you’ve been attracted to a life of creation, whether
as a writer or an artist.
I’ve
been drawing all my life, just as a hobby, without really having
shows or anything. It’s just an agreeable thing to do, and I
recommend it to everybody. I always say to people, practice an art,
no matter how well or badly [you do it], because then you have the
experience of becoming, and it makes your soul grow. That includes
singing, dancing, writing, drawing, playing a musical instrument. One
thing I hate about school committees today is that they cut arts
programs out of the curriculum because they say the arts aren’t a
way to make a living. Well, there are lots of things worth doing that
are no way to make a living. [Laughs.] They are agreeable ways to
make a more agreeable life.
In
the process of your becoming, you’ve given the world much warmth
and humor. That matters, doesn’t it?
I
asked my son Mark what he thought life was all about, and he said,
“We are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it
is.” I think that says it best. You can do that as a comedian, a
writer, a painter, a musician. He’s a pediatrician. There are all
kinds of ways we can help each other get through today. There are
some things that help. Musicians really do it for me. I wish I were
one, because they help a lot. They help us get through a couple
hours.
“A
lack of seriousness,” you wrote, “has led to all sorts of
wonderful insights.”
Yes.
The world is too serious. To get mad at a work of art — because
maybe somebody, somewhere is blowing his stack over what I’ve done
— is like getting mad at a hot fudge sundae.
Nearly
forty years after Slaughterhouse-Five, people still love reading your
books. Why do you think your books have such enduring appeal?
I’ve said it before: I write in the voice of a child. That makes me readable in high school. [Laughs.] Not too many big sentences. But I hope that my ideas attract a lively dialogue, even if my sentences are simple. Simple sentences have always served me well. And I don’t use semicolons. It’s hard to read anyway, especially for high school kids. Also, I avoid irony. I don’t like people saying one thing and meaning the other.
I’ve said it before: I write in the voice of a child. That makes me readable in high school. [Laughs.] Not too many big sentences. But I hope that my ideas attract a lively dialogue, even if my sentences are simple. Simple sentences have always served me well. And I don’t use semicolons. It’s hard to read anyway, especially for high school kids. Also, I avoid irony. I don’t like people saying one thing and meaning the other.
When
Timequake was published ten years ago, you said you were basically
retired as a writer. You’ve published two essay collections since
then, God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian and the best-selling A Man Without
a Country. I wonder if the visual arts have become a substitute for
writing in your life.
Well,
it’s something to do in my old age. [Laughs.] As you may know, I’m
suing a cigarette company because their product hasn’t killed me
yet.
Is
it a different creative process for you, sitting down to write or
picking up a paintbrush?
No. I used to teach a writer’s workshop at the University of Iowa back in the ’60s, and I would say at the start of every semester, “The role model for this course is Vincent van Gogh — who sold two paintings to his brother.” [Laughs.] I just sit and wait to see what’s inside me, and that’s the case for writing or for drawing, and then out it comes. There are times when nothing comes. James Brooks, the fine abstract-expressionist, I asked him what painting was like for him, and he said, “I put the first stroke on the canvas and then the canvas has to do half the work.” That’s how serious painters are. They’re waiting for the canvas to do half the work. [Laughs.] Come on. Wake up.
No. I used to teach a writer’s workshop at the University of Iowa back in the ’60s, and I would say at the start of every semester, “The role model for this course is Vincent van Gogh — who sold two paintings to his brother.” [Laughs.] I just sit and wait to see what’s inside me, and that’s the case for writing or for drawing, and then out it comes. There are times when nothing comes. James Brooks, the fine abstract-expressionist, I asked him what painting was like for him, and he said, “I put the first stroke on the canvas and then the canvas has to do half the work.” That’s how serious painters are. They’re waiting for the canvas to do half the work. [Laughs.] Come on. Wake up.
We
live in a very visual world today. Do words have any power left?
I was at a symposium some years back with my friends Joseph Heller and William Styron, both dead now, and we were talking about the death of the novel and the death of poetry, and Styron pointed out that the novel has always been an elitist art form. It’s an art form for very few people, because only a few can read very well. I’ve said that to open a novel is to arrive in a music hall and be handed a viola. You have to perform. [Laughs.] To stare at horizontal lines of phonetic symbols and Arabic numbers and to be able to put a show on in your head, it requires the reader to perform. If you can do it, you can go whaling in the South Pacific with Herman Melville, or you can watch Madame Bovary make a mess of her life in Paris. With pictures and movies, all you have to do is sit there and look at them and it happens to you.
I was at a symposium some years back with my friends Joseph Heller and William Styron, both dead now, and we were talking about the death of the novel and the death of poetry, and Styron pointed out that the novel has always been an elitist art form. It’s an art form for very few people, because only a few can read very well. I’ve said that to open a novel is to arrive in a music hall and be handed a viola. You have to perform. [Laughs.] To stare at horizontal lines of phonetic symbols and Arabic numbers and to be able to put a show on in your head, it requires the reader to perform. If you can do it, you can go whaling in the South Pacific with Herman Melville, or you can watch Madame Bovary make a mess of her life in Paris. With pictures and movies, all you have to do is sit there and look at them and it happens to you.
Many
years ago, you said that a writer’s job is to use the time of a
stranger in such a way that he or she will not feel the time was
wasted. There are a lot of ways for a stranger to pass time these
days.
That’s
right. There are all these other things to do with time. It used to
be people would wonder what the hell they were going to do for the
winter. [Laughs.] Then a big book would come out — a big, wonderful
book — and everybody would be reading it to pass the time. It was a
very primitive experiment, before television, where people would have
to look at ink on paper, for God’s sake. I myself grew up when
radio was very important. I’d come home from school and turn on the
radio. There were funny comedians and wonderful music, and there were
plays. I used to pass time with radio. Now, you don’t have to be
literate to have a nice time.
You’ve
stated that television is one of the most viable art forms in the
world today.
Well, it is. It works like a dream. It’s a way to hold attention, and it’s awfully good at that. For a lot of people, TV is life itself. Churches used to provide people with better company than they had at home, but now, no matter what your neighborhood life or family life is like, you turn on the television and you get relatives, family. I don’t know if you’ve heard about this, but scientists have created baby geese that believe that an airplane is their mother. Human beings will believe in all kinds of things that aren’t true, and that’s okay. And TV is a part of that.
Well, it is. It works like a dream. It’s a way to hold attention, and it’s awfully good at that. For a lot of people, TV is life itself. Churches used to provide people with better company than they had at home, but now, no matter what your neighborhood life or family life is like, you turn on the television and you get relatives, family. I don’t know if you’ve heard about this, but scientists have created baby geese that believe that an airplane is their mother. Human beings will believe in all kinds of things that aren’t true, and that’s okay. And TV is a part of that.
Is
there another book in you, by chance?
No.
Look, I’m 84 years old. Writers of fiction have usually done their
best work by the time they’re 45. Chess masters are through when
they’re 35, and so are baseball players. There are plenty of other
people writing. Let them do it.
So
what’s the old man’s game, then?
My
country is in ruins. So I’m a fish in a poisoned fishbowl. I’m
mostly just heartsick about this. There should have been hope. This
should have been a great country. But we are despised all over the
world now. I was hoping to build a country and add to its literature.
That’s why I served in World War II, and that’s why I wrote
books.
When
someone reads one of your books, what would you like them to take
from the experience?
Well,
I’d like the guy — or the girl, of course — to put the book
down and think, “This is the greatest man who ever lived.”
[Laughs.]
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Linda
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